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they got things done. >> greta: any advice for congressman paul ryan? you tweeted today, you retweeted a cbs news, biden praises obama's debate performance. ure added, will joe giff a repeat of that wonderful performance, chicould sense the sarcasm? any advice for congressman paul ryan going into the vice-presidential debate next week? >> well, maybe we ought to start out by the latest gaffe of the gift that keeps on giving, who is a heartbeat away from the presidency, that the american people have been buried -- middle class of america has been buried the last four years. i agree, joe. [chuckles] >> that's where we could start. seriously, gret think that paul ryan may not be the most colorful individual, but any number of congress, he knows the issues, he knows them backwards and forwards. i believe it's very likely that on knowledge alone and presentation, which paul has made many times, that he doll well. my job is to lower expectations, he will never be as good as joe biden. but i am going to take a little different approach. i think that paul ryan
they got things done. >> greta: any advice for congressman paul ryan? you tweeted today, you retweeted a cbs news, biden praises obama's debate performance. ure added, will joe giff a repeat of that wonderful performance, chicould sense the sarcasm? any advice for congressman paul ryan going into the vice-presidential debate next week? >> well, maybe we ought to start out by the latest gaffe of the gift that keeps on giving, who is a heartbeat away from the presidency, that the...
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ryan. joining us from washington, julian epstein, who is a democratic strategist, and ken vogel, chief investigative reporter for polpolitico. paul ryan has conceded that mitt romney's 47% comments were inarticulate. they seem to acknowledge that the 47%, largely the elderly, working poor, veterans, but now ryan sounds as if he agrees with mitt. which is it? >> that's right. you could imagine john mccain in 2008 saying, wait a second, that 47% is made up of veterans who have paid their debt to society with blood literally. it's made up of mostly working people, most of that 47% are working americans, working middle class, working poor. >> hard working who earn less than $30,000 a year. >> or even $40,000 or $50,000 and many of those -- many of that 47% is made up of seniors. you know, this network is going to have a new poll later today that's going to show the race tightening and the national numbers but not in the battleground states i think. one of the big reasons for that, one of the bi
ryan. joining us from washington, julian epstein, who is a democratic strategist, and ken vogel, chief investigative reporter for polpolitico. paul ryan has conceded that mitt romney's 47% comments were inarticulate. they seem to acknowledge that the 47%, largely the elderly, working poor, veterans, but now ryan sounds as if he agrees with mitt. which is it? >> that's right. you could imagine john mccain in 2008 saying, wait a second, that 47% is made up of veterans who have paid their...
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that's the plan that i put forward, and by the way, the idea came not even from paul ryan or senator wyden who's a co-author of the bill in the senate, but also from bill clinton's chief of staff. this is an idea that's been around a long time. hey, let's see if we can't get competition into the medicare world so that people can get the choice of different plans at lower costs, better quality. i believe in competition. >> moderator: okay. obama: jim, if i can just respond very quickly. first of all, every study has shown that medicare has lower administrative costs than private insurance does, which is why seniors are generally pretty happy with it. and private insurers have to make a profit. nothing wrong with that, that's what they do. and so you've got higher administrative costs plus profit on top of that, and if you are going to save any money through what governor romney's proposing, what has to happen is that the money has to come from somewhere. and when you move to a voucher system, you are putting seniors at the mercy of those insurance companies. and over time if tradition
that's the plan that i put forward, and by the way, the idea came not even from paul ryan or senator wyden who's a co-author of the bill in the senate, but also from bill clinton's chief of staff. this is an idea that's been around a long time. hey, let's see if we can't get competition into the medicare world so that people can get the choice of different plans at lower costs, better quality. i believe in competition. >> moderator: okay. obama: jim, if i can just respond very quickly....
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but they're also impressed with ryan. >> he's doing a great job so far. he's getting rid of the ball, going along with progression so what we've got do is tighten up on the back end. >> we can see on film when ryan has time he's able to help find his receivers so it's crucial for us to be able to get pressure to just the front four. >> another award for rgiii, offensive rookie of the month. sunday he became one of three rookies to pass for over 1,000 yards in his first four weeks. >>> we've got ourselves some great high school football tomorrow night. dunbar edging out chantilly for the game of the week. 12,000 of you voted. we'll have highlights of both of those games. also dematha versus good counsel. >>> ted leonsa always seems to have a smile on his face but the wizards are in the midst of a major rebuild. and the nhl lockout? mums the word. he did talk about his wiz kids, though, and he actually made a correlation to the nationals. he believes his team is restructuring in a similar fashion to the nats. >> i looked at the nationals losing 100 games an
but they're also impressed with ryan. >> he's doing a great job so far. he's getting rid of the ball, going along with progression so what we've got do is tighten up on the back end. >> we can see on film when ryan has time he's able to help find his receivers so it's crucial for us to be able to get pressure to just the front four. >> another award for rgiii, offensive rookie of the month. sunday he became one of three rookies to pass for over 1,000 yards in his first four...
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back to a common theme that he wanted governor romney to provide specifics for a number of the romney/ryan plans, which he hit on a number of times. he felt most comfortable, it seemed, defending obamacare, looking right into the camera. we didn't seem to have that moment that, sometimes debates have. but there was an exchange about the deficit and debt, talking about the simpson-bowles plan, that had an interesting back and forth. take a listen. e >> in one year, you provided $90 billion in breaks to the green energy world. now, i like green energy as well, but that's about 50 years worth of what oil & gas receives, exon and mobile this. $2.8 billion goes largely to small company, drilling operators and so forth. but if we get that tax rate down to 25%, that $2 important 8 billion is on the table. that's probably not going to survive. but don't forget, you put $ninety billion, like 50 years worth of breaks into soular and wind, to solyndra, fisker, i have a friend who said, you don't just pick the winners and losers, you pick the losers. >> he was talking about the energy plan. president
back to a common theme that he wanted governor romney to provide specifics for a number of the romney/ryan plans, which he hit on a number of times. he felt most comfortable, it seemed, defending obamacare, looking right into the camera. we didn't seem to have that moment that, sometimes debates have. but there was an exchange about the deficit and debt, talking about the simpson-bowles plan, that had an interesting back and forth. take a listen. e >> in one year, you provided $90 billion...
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ryan has a plan to do something about it. what is the problem? >> the problem is, he would, in effect, turn medicare into a voucher program. the president touched on it but did not stay with it. he allowed romney to get away with it. the voucher program would cause people to take a chunk of money from the government and go out and buy their own insurance. only a limited amount of money would be available. then the costs go up, the senior citizens, who get that, have to pay the differee. the guarantee would be gone. that is the substance of how they would deal with medicare and that is the way it would be. the president did not make the case as effectively as he should of on that. >> that is factually wrong. let me just say, that is factually wrong. under the romney plan, the amount of money the government will give you is equal to the amount of the second lowest bid, meaning that you can get that plan for nothing, or the cheaper plan, there will be one cheaper, and then you can keep the extra money in your pocket. you have a choice, with no expen
ryan has a plan to do something about it. what is the problem? >> the problem is, he would, in effect, turn medicare into a voucher program. the president touched on it but did not stay with it. he allowed romney to get away with it. the voucher program would cause people to take a chunk of money from the government and go out and buy their own insurance. only a limited amount of money would be available. then the costs go up, the senior citizens, who get that, have to pay the differee....
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. >> i think he was criticizing the ryan-esque vision on medicare and taxes. it's hard to say what else he displayed passion about. i have felt all year this is the biggest hole in their campaign. i don't think he has given americans a clear sense of what he would do to make the next four years better than the last four years. there was almost no second-term agenda. things that have been -- what is it that obama himself wants to do? certainly in this next debate he's going to be more aggressive. can he be more persuasive about his own plans? >> and mitt romney ought to be more aggressive in pushing the president to talk about his agenda. because of course the president is tying him to the ryan budget, for better or worse, what is he going to do about medicare, what's he going to do about tax reform. it is true that romney hasn't put a lot of meat on the bones when it comes to what he would do to reform the tax code. what deductions would he cap. he started getting at that a little bit this past week. well, then why doesn't he push the president for some more d
. >> i think he was criticizing the ryan-esque vision on medicare and taxes. it's hard to say what else he displayed passion about. i have felt all year this is the biggest hole in their campaign. i don't think he has given americans a clear sense of what he would do to make the next four years better than the last four years. there was almost no second-term agenda. things that have been -- what is it that obama himself wants to do? certainly in this next debate he's going to be more...
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the idea, which was originally present bide congressman ryan, your runningmate, is that we would give a voucher to seniors and they could go out in the private marketplace and buy their own health insurance. the problem is that because the voucher wouldn't necessarily keep up with health care inflation, it was estimated that this would cost the average senior $6,000 a year n. fairness, what governor romney has now said is that he will maintain traditionally medicare alongside it. but there is still a problem because what happens is those insurance companies are pretty clever at figuring out who are the younger and healthier seniors, they recriewrt them, leaving the older, sicker seniors in medicare. and every health care economist that looks at that time says over time, what will happen is the traditional medicare system will collapse. and then when you have folks like my grandmanager at the mercy of the private insurance system, precisely at the time when they are most in need of decent health care. so i don't think vouchers are the right way to go. this is not my own -- only my opin
the idea, which was originally present bide congressman ryan, your runningmate, is that we would give a voucher to seniors and they could go out in the private marketplace and buy their own health insurance. the problem is that because the voucher wouldn't necessarily keep up with health care inflation, it was estimated that this would cost the average senior $6,000 a year n. fairness, what governor romney has now said is that he will maintain traditionally medicare alongside it. but there is...
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>> i expect ryan to come out like mitt romney, a raging bull. but i expect biden not to play barack obama. i watched biden. i think he'll counterpunch and do it effectively and i think if he does, he wins. chris: any thoughts? >> there will be a lot of worries. this will be very interactive and a great debate. i'll wait before i see it. >> no fair. >> she reserves the right. >> i'm going to call it a draw. i think joe biden is pretty good in debates. and paul ryan is very smart. i think he's going to have a great night. i think they're going to meet -- chris: one thing about the media i'm not a media critic, but i think we say gaffe and in his case i think we are gaffes and used the wrong word and could have said the middle class is being squeezed instead of buried and no comment about it but if somebody says something in the back room and i don't give a damn about half the country, that's not a gaffe but a revelation. >> biden by the way knows this debate is a really big deal. chris: yeah. >> biden has to keep it together. but if he does, he ha
>> i expect ryan to come out like mitt romney, a raging bull. but i expect biden not to play barack obama. i watched biden. i think he'll counterpunch and do it effectively and i think if he does, he wins. chris: any thoughts? >> there will be a lot of worries. this will be very interactive and a great debate. i'll wait before i see it. >> no fair. >> she reserves the right. >> i'm going to call it a draw. i think joe biden is pretty good in debates. and paul ryan...
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when you look at the fact that ryan and akin are two of a kind, paul ryan, the vice presidential candidate chosen by mitt romney and todd akin co-sponsored a bill called, the no taxpayer funded abortion toll tha would limit what would be considered rape, that funds could only be used for forceable rape, which has been the controversy around akin. >> right. and paul ryan co-sponsored it. >> co-sponsored it. >> co-sponsored it. not just supported it. and this is what is so incredible, that now the anti-choice people are so -- they smell victory and they are letting romney get away with this flip-flopping. so instead of calling him on the carpet and saying, what do you mean? we all know what he meant because we know he's going to be a pro life president. >> they think that he's going to win. once he's in, i think that they think they can have a claim on him. that is historically where they've gotten their absolute victories. >> scary. joan walsh and irin carmon, thank you for your time tonight. >>> coming up, no more mr. nice guy. president obama is getting revved up for the next debate and s
when you look at the fact that ryan and akin are two of a kind, paul ryan, the vice presidential candidate chosen by mitt romney and todd akin co-sponsored a bill called, the no taxpayer funded abortion toll tha would limit what would be considered rape, that funds could only be used for forceable rape, which has been the controversy around akin. >> right. and paul ryan co-sponsored it. >> co-sponsored it. >> co-sponsored it. not just supported it. and this is what is so...
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paul ryan. the battle royal still to come. spoofs are a fun way the digital age has changed the campaigns and also a serious impact. think about it. twitter was still relatively fledgling four years ago. tonight for the first time, instant reaction from the crowd could shape the national post-debate conversation. just as much as the opinions of journalists and pundits do. so, let's do what journalists and pundits do and talk about it. i think, you know, twitter and -- and i mentioned this yesterday in "the rant," i mean, twitter is a really fun way to watch a debate. live tweeting through it, see what other people have to say. but it's also really changed the sperngs. you know, as we tease there, you get instant reaction to real-time events. it's completely democraticized the experience of getting news and watching politics because everyone can be a pundit and a news producer by retweeting what other people are saying. and it develops these real-time twitter means we've seen throughout the year, which i think have been really
paul ryan. the battle royal still to come. spoofs are a fun way the digital age has changed the campaigns and also a serious impact. think about it. twitter was still relatively fledgling four years ago. tonight for the first time, instant reaction from the crowd could shape the national post-debate conversation. just as much as the opinions of journalists and pundits do. so, let's do what journalists and pundits do and talk about it. i think, you know, twitter and -- and i mentioned this...
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you have biden against ryan. what do you think? >> that's going to be a really clear contrast as well. joe biden has fighting for the middle class and for working families for his entire career for more than 30 years and paul ryan dismisses 30% of the country depending on the welfare state. >> joy, that's going to be a battle of generations. joe has been winning elections since he was 29 back in '72. and now he's out there against this guy that's the new kid on the block. how's it going to look? >> i think people are going to underestimate biden. there he is. he's going to do a gaffe and mess up. what you will see up there is a guy who can speak for his generation, older people, working class people. he can zero in on those folks and say, i know she can't afford to have a voucher and shop for her medicare and when he turns to paul ryan, explain to me how you voucherize the medicare, i don't care how much the media has built up ryan as this sort of genius, he's not going to be able to answer that and they are more boxed in. don't un
you have biden against ryan. what do you think? >> that's going to be a really clear contrast as well. joe biden has fighting for the middle class and for working families for his entire career for more than 30 years and paul ryan dismisses 30% of the country depending on the welfare state. >> joy, that's going to be a battle of generations. joe has been winning elections since he was 29 back in '72. and now he's out there against this guy that's the new kid on the block. how's it...
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romney with 47% and ryan with 30%. we're 100%. >> can you remember a time where a political party has carved out a huge part of the country saying we don't like you, we don't respect you, we want to get rid of you with the way you live. >> that's the impression they're leaving. president eisenhower didn't do that, president nixon didn't do that, president reagan made us feel like we were all in it together. >> i've never seen a politician say, i'll take the other part of the vote. i'm not interested in your half, or in this case, 70% he's giving away. >> that's right. i have never heard such language. i think it will allow obama to extend the 47% argument to not only ryan but to the entire republican party. he can say, this is a party that slices and dices the american public. in some ways i think this argument about 30% of the people being lazy, 47% of the people being lazy, goes against the idea of american exceptionalism. how can america be that exceptional if 50% of the country is lazy? we know that's not true. ame
romney with 47% and ryan with 30%. we're 100%. >> can you remember a time where a political party has carved out a huge part of the country saying we don't like you, we don't respect you, we want to get rid of you with the way you live. >> that's the impression they're leaving. president eisenhower didn't do that, president nixon didn't do that, president reagan made us feel like we were all in it together. >> i've never seen a politician say, i'll take the other part of the...
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the idea, originally presented by kochm congressman ryan, your running mate. we would give a voucher to seniors and they could go out in the private marketplace and buy their own health insurance. the problem is, that because the voucher wouldn't necessarily keep up with health care inflation, it was estimated that this would cost the average senior about $6,000 a year. now, in fairness, what governor romney said is he will maintain traditional medicare alongside it. what happened, those insurance companies are pretty clever at figuring out who are the younger and healthier seniors, recruit them, leaving the older and sicker seniors in medicare. and over time, what will happen, the traditional medicare system will collapse. and then what you've got is folks like my grandmother, at the mercy of the private insurance system, precisely at the time when they are most in need of decent health care. so i don't think vouchers are the right way to go, and this is not my -- not only my opinion. aarp thinks that the savings we obtained from medicare bolstered the system
the idea, originally presented by kochm congressman ryan, your running mate. we would give a voucher to seniors and they could go out in the private marketplace and buy their own health insurance. the problem is, that because the voucher wouldn't necessarily keep up with health care inflation, it was estimated that this would cost the average senior about $6,000 a year. now, in fairness, what governor romney said is he will maintain traditional medicare alongside it. what happened, those...
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but the question is this, which paul ryan will show up? the new paul ryan since he got the nomination, much more reserved? or the older paul ryan when he was the house budget committee chairman, very tough, very feisty. >> i think paul ryan is going to show up one that's briefed, prepared, ready to go on this momentum. i agree joe biden is a good debater, but he's also rusty. the last debate he had was against sarah palin. i think debating paul ryan and sarah palin are two completely different animals. and we haven't seen him do a lot of debating. so, you know, let's hope that he doesn't show up as rusty. if not, it will really build on republican momentum. and i think it will change the tone of this race. two debates where the republicans can really change it. >> a lot of the president's supporters didn't think he spent enough time preparing for this debate. romney spent a lot more time preparing than the president did. how much time between now and next thursday should the vice president spend? get rid of his campaigning and start practi
but the question is this, which paul ryan will show up? the new paul ryan since he got the nomination, much more reserved? or the older paul ryan when he was the house budget committee chairman, very tough, very feisty. >> i think paul ryan is going to show up one that's briefed, prepared, ready to go on this momentum. i agree joe biden is a good debater, but he's also rusty. the last debate he had was against sarah palin. i think debating paul ryan and sarah palin are two completely...
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you know, his runningmate, congressman ryan put forward a budget that reflects many of the principles that governor romney's talked about. and it wasn't very detailed. this seems to be a trend. but what it did do is if you extrapolate how much money we are talking about, you would look at cutting the education budget up to 20%. when it comes to community colleges, we are seeing great work done out there, all over the country because we had the opportunity to train people for jobs that exist right now. one of the things i suspect governor romney and i probably agree on, getting businesses to work with community colleges so they are setting up their training programs -- >> jim: do you agree -- >> let me finish the point -- [overlapping dialogue] >> they're partnering so that they're designing training programs and people who are dwg through them know there is a job waiting for them. that makes a big difference. but that requires federal support. let me just say one final example. when it comes to making college affordable, whether it's two year or four year, one of the things i did as p
you know, his runningmate, congressman ryan put forward a budget that reflects many of the principles that governor romney's talked about. and it wasn't very detailed. this seems to be a trend. but what it did do is if you extrapolate how much money we are talking about, you would look at cutting the education budget up to 20%. when it comes to community colleges, we are seeing great work done out there, all over the country because we had the opportunity to train people for jobs that exist...
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one from the right on president obama and one from the left on paul ryan. will either have an impact? al sharp top is going to join me. plus, joe biden a sex symbol? i'm going to talk to politico's -- they're dancing on the set. we're going to talk about this with jonathan allen, who says vice president biden is bringing sexy back to the medicare crowd and what do you think? we want to hear from you. do you think one of the candidates will deliver a knockout punch? you can tweet me and we'll get some of your responses. i can't believe you're missing chris and joy dancing. [ female announcer ] ready for a taste of what's hot? check out the latest collection of snacks from lean cuisine. creamy spinach artichoke dip, crispy garlic chicken spring rolls. they're this season's must-have accessory. lean cuisine. be culinary chic. >>> on the day of the presidential debate, two tapes from the past are creating talking points on both sides of the aisle. from the right, a 2007 tape that news organizations including nbc covered during the 2008 campaign of barack obama
one from the right on president obama and one from the left on paul ryan. will either have an impact? al sharp top is going to join me. plus, joe biden a sex symbol? i'm going to talk to politico's -- they're dancing on the set. we're going to talk about this with jonathan allen, who says vice president biden is bringing sexy back to the medicare crowd and what do you think? we want to hear from you. do you think one of the candidates will deliver a knockout punch? you can tweet me and we'll...
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but i remember when paul ryan made his speech that night, while the speech was still going on, we were watching the tweets come up pointing out that he had blatantly misrepresented one of the key stories that he told. and i'll tell you, i think that his inability to really give any kind of boost to the romney/ryan ticket has been shaped as much as anything else by the fact that he did a belly flop in that speech because the social media picked him up on it right away before the speech was even over. >> jennifer: it's an interesting thing. maybe the main stream media will be influenced by the twitter stream more than the reverse. >> cenk: we have got to take a quick break, when we come back john has an interesting question. what is the question we would ask of the debaters. >> cenk: we're back on current's politically direct coverage of the first presidential debate. it's coming up in just a little bit. going to be a lot of fun. john fugelsang has a question for all of us. >> john: as long as we're all celebrating, zinger watts 2012 if you had the chance to be in jim lehrer's seat, and
but i remember when paul ryan made his speech that night, while the speech was still going on, we were watching the tweets come up pointing out that he had blatantly misrepresented one of the key stories that he told. and i'll tell you, i think that his inability to really give any kind of boost to the romney/ryan ticket has been shaped as much as anything else by the fact that he did a belly flop in that speech because the social media picked him up on it right away before the speech was even...
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paul ryan has never been on a stage this large. and i remember during the convention, in the first 10 minutes of his convention speech, he was really nervous. so you know -- it's not sure how this will come out. >> sarah palin had never been on a national stage when she debated joe biden and the consensus is she had a draw. joe biden i think has had a long, distinguished career, but he's become a little rusty and a little excitable on the campaign trail. >> schieffer: what do you think paul ryan has to do here? i'm sure no one would advise him to take the tack that sarah palin did, because while she caused a lot of talk, i think in the end, she was not a plus for that campaign. you may disagree, but-- >> she fought joe biden to a draw. i think paul ryan has to address some specific questions about his budget plan, but he also has to make it clear that it's hiss budget plan. m.v.p mitt romney's plan is the one that will be implemented in the white house and you can't sayeg in the ryan plan is automatically going to be in the romney
paul ryan has never been on a stage this large. and i remember during the convention, in the first 10 minutes of his convention speech, he was really nervous. so you know -- it's not sure how this will come out. >> sarah palin had never been on a national stage when she debated joe biden and the consensus is she had a draw. joe biden i think has had a long, distinguished career, but he's become a little rusty and a little excitable on the campaign trail. >> schieffer: what do you...
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from ryan ross cummings, romney's flip on policies threw off obama, period. ady for a taste of what's hot? check out the latest collection of snacks from lean cuisine. creamy spinach artichoke dip, crispy garlic chicken spring rolls. they're this season's must-have accessory. lean cuisine. be culinary chic. >>> governor romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut. >> i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. >> i put forward a specific $4 trillion deficit reduction plan. >> if you're re-elected we'll get to a trillion dollar debt. >> 77 government programs. >> 700,000 jobs. >> $4 billion a year. >> so facts and figures were tossed around in last night's presidential debates like balloons at a convention. when you pick apart statements, separate fact from fiction, will some balloons burst. >>> "the washington post" put some late night last night facts and big claims under the microsco microscope. over night a lot of people were working on finding out and digging deeper the facts there. so let's talk about the very first
from ryan ross cummings, romney's flip on policies threw off obama, period. ady for a taste of what's hot? check out the latest collection of snacks from lean cuisine. creamy spinach artichoke dip, crispy garlic chicken spring rolls. they're this season's must-have accessory. lean cuisine. be culinary chic. >>> governor romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut. >> i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. >> i put forward a...
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paul ryan a week ago was asked about the math for this and paul ryan, said, look, the math takes too long. well, mitt romney's solution is he just decided there wasn't math involved in this problem and that's absolutely crazy. look, the only thing he outlined that he would cut in the budget is big bird. you know, he's taken the battle straight to "sesame street" and let wall street run hog wild. it was a masterful manyperformance. it was fundamentally honest to the american people and if you're willing to say anything to get elected president, willing to make up your positions and walk away from them i think the american people have to understand how can they trust you if you are elected president. >> the vice presidential debate. joe biden coming up. he stepped in it a little bit this week with the comment about the middle class being buried the last four years. take a look. >> how they can justify, how they can justify raising taxes on the middle class that's been buried the last four years. how in lord's name can they justify raising their taxes with these tax cuts. >> two questio
paul ryan a week ago was asked about the math for this and paul ryan, said, look, the math takes too long. well, mitt romney's solution is he just decided there wasn't math involved in this problem and that's absolutely crazy. look, the only thing he outlined that he would cut in the budget is big bird. you know, he's taken the battle straight to "sesame street" and let wall street run hog wild. it was a masterful manyperformance. it was fundamentally honest to the american people and...
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paul ryan was supposed to be the guy to get people excited about mitt romney. and i do give him credit he gave a good performance. he lied through his teeth, but he won the debate in terms of performance. >> stephanie: yes, it is winning by cheating. if everything you said were true, i suppose it would be a different story. by the way what does it say about paul ryan that obama still holds a double-digit lead in wisconsin? >> it says that paul ryan is still running for his congressional seat and not giving it up. there are paul ryan for congress signs popping up all over wisconsin. >> stephanie: it seems like he thinks he may need a backup plan of some sort. >> a day job if you will. >> stephanie: jeanie in ohio. >> caller: hi guys. john good luck with your new show tonight. >> thank you very much. it will be a lot of fun. >> caller: is romney really a lunatic or what? >> yeah. >> caller: he is. every time i hear him i have to rewind to say did i just hear that? >> stephanie: right. >> caller: and i think -- i agree with that woman that called a few calls befor
paul ryan was supposed to be the guy to get people excited about mitt romney. and i do give him credit he gave a good performance. he lied through his teeth, but he won the debate in terms of performance. >> stephanie: yes, it is winning by cheating. if everything you said were true, i suppose it would be a different story. by the way what does it say about paul ryan that obama still holds a double-digit lead in wisconsin? >> it says that paul ryan is still running for his...